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FACE TO FACE WITH<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Josep Maria Mata i Perell\u00f3, geologist<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Josep Maria Mata: ” The public administration does not know how to assess public works and their geological disasters”<\/h1>\n
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Josep Maria Mata i Perell\u00f3. \/ Photo: Courtesy of the author.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

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David Rabad\u00e0<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n

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This May, the Government of Catalonia will award the Creu de Sant Jordi<\/em> to Josep Maria Mata. An internationally respected geologist, he was born in Lleida on 25 February 1942, though he has long lived in Manresa. The son of schoolteachers, Mata may well have been destined for a life of scientific outreach. Holder of a degree in Geology from the University of Barcelona in 1969, he later completed a doctoral thesis on the minerals of Catalonia in 1981. In the meantime, he had already spent several years teaching at secondary schools in Manresa and Vic. But his major contribution to the popularisation of science came through over three decades of teaching at the University School in Manresa, which eventually became part of the Polytechnic University of Catalonia (UPC).<\/p>\n

During that time, he directed the Valent\u00ed Masachs Geology Museum from 1980 to 2003 and was also Head of the Department of Mining Engineering and Natural Resources at the UPC from 2006 until his retirement in 2012. Yet this restless spirit\u2014speaking from personal experience\u2014never stopped. He continued to foster public engagement with geology through adult education courses, social action, and the promotion of geoparks both here and abroad. He has also remained active in geological research, compiling mineralogical catalogues across Spain and founding organisations to protect the Iberian Peninsula\u2019s natural and historical heritage. Notably, he was among the founders of the Spanish Society for the Defence of Geological and Mining Heritage (SEDPGYM), where he served as the first president after its creation in 1995.<\/p>\n

But Mata is not only a scientist\u2014his literary work ranges from scientific essays to lyrical poetry, as evidenced by numerous publications and readings, some of which have crossed the Atlantic. In recognition of his wide-ranging activity, UNESCO appointed him technical adviser for the protection of the Cerro Rico in Potos\u00ed, Bolivia. He continues to collaborate with UNESCO as an adviser to five geoparks, all of which were set in motion through his initiative. In the case of the Central Catalonia Geopark, he chairs the Scientific Committee; he advises the others, including the mining region of Hidalgo in Mexico. A twenty-first-century Renaissance man, he has also been active in the Catalan Institute of Natural History, the Geological Society of Spain, and NGOs such as Ge\u00f3logos del Mundo y Miner\u00eda para el Desarrollo (Geologists Without Borders and Mining for Development). For such a profile, the Creu de Sant Jordi<\/em> may be well deserved\u2014and perhaps still fall short.<\/p>\n

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David Rabad\u00e0 with Josep Maria Mata i Perell\u00f3 (right)[\/<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Josep Maria, why do you think you\u2019ve been awarded the Creu de Sant Jordi<\/em>?<\/strong>
\nI really don\u2019t know\u2014perhaps in recognition of the years of work and the small steps forward taken along the way. In the end, one becomes the result of the choices one makes.<\/p>\n

How do you think Geology is perceived in society?<\/strong>
\nBy the public administration, it\u2019s barely acknowledged. Among the people who come to my courses, though, I\u2019d say it\u2019s highly appreciated.<\/p>\n

Why do you say that the administration doesn\u2019t value Geology?<\/strong>
\nBecause it simply doesn\u2019t know how to assess public works or the geological problems they may cause.<\/p>\n

\u201cThe hope of finding rare earths on the Iberian Peninsula may be more of a fantasy than a genuinely viable prospect\u201d<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

You often speak about the connection between geology and natural resources\u2014minerals, groundwater, energy. How should the media inform and raise public awareness? Are they doing it well?<\/strong>
\nNo, not really. What we need is good journalism in this field\u2014people who are well trained and who explain things properly. For example, the current talk about rare earth elements supposedly found on the Iberian Peninsula is probably more illusion than viable fact. The strategic minerals required for modern technologies are unlikely to exist here in commercially useful quantities, and yet the media keep announcing that a discovery is just around the corner. But there\u2019s no serious evidence to support that. Over thirty years ago, in Ulldemolins, I published research noting the presence of rare earths\u2014but not in concentrations that would allow for exploitation. Or take the example of my colleague Dr Joan Carles Melgarejo, who years ago identified platinum in the Priorat. If that happened now, the press would go wild announcing the discovery without acknowledging that the concentrations are far too low for viable extraction.<\/p>\n

You\u2019ve been involved in politics too. Could you tell us about your latest professional focus?<\/strong>
\nThese days, I lead geology field trips aimed at what I call \u201csocial geology\u201d.<\/p>\n

Sorry\u2014what exactly do you mean by social geology?<\/strong>
\nIt\u2019s about explaining to people how the geology of their land affects their everyday lives. It\u2019s not the same to live in a mountainous area, with steep slopes and the risk of landslides on the roads, as it is to live in the flatlands of the Ebro depression. It also makes a difference whether the subsoil contains something that can be mined\u2014or nothing at all.<\/p>\n

That points to something we\u2019re clearly missing as a society: a basic geological culture. As someone committed to scientific communication, you\u2019ve published several books. In your view, what makes a good scientific essay?<\/strong>
\nThe ultimate goal of a good scientific essay is to contribute to a better world through truth, education, and a more harmonious relationship between humans and the natural world.<\/p>\n

\u201cThe key to writing is to apply the scientific method, using logical arguments and verifiable data\u201d<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

In your view, should scientific publications be critical of dominant authorities? And if so, does that limit where you can publish?<\/strong>
\nYes, one should be critical\u2014and also prepared to respond with stronger arguments. Whether that gets published or not depends on where you\u2019re submitting. A local magazine isn\u2019t the same as a national one. What matters most is to write with scientific rigour, using logic and data that can be verified.<\/p>\n

Have you ever experienced censorship from any institution, in your role as a communicator?<\/strong>
\nNo, not censorship as such. Just once, someone changed something I had written, without asking me first.<\/p>\n

You\u2019re still very active in geology. Looking back, how do your current projects relate to what you studied?<\/strong>
\nWhat I studied at the time wasn\u2019t directly related to where I ended up. But without that broad foundation, I wouldn\u2019t have found my path later on.<\/p>\n

Could you give an example?<\/strong>
\nI attended lectures by the great palaeontologist Dr Miquel Crusafont. I didn\u2019t learn a lot of practical palaeontology relevant to geology, but I did learn a great deal about the theory of evolution.<\/p>\n

Given your experience, what changes would you make to the current education system?<\/strong>
\nChange has to come from below\u2014starting with early childhood education and going all the way through to university\u2014so that every teacher is valued for what they do, no matter the level. What really matters is the transmission of solid, well-grounded knowledge\u2014from nursery school to university. That\u2019s what enables real social progress.<\/p>\n

\u201cWhat really matters is the transmission of solid, well-grounded knowledge\u2014from nursery school to university\u201d<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Geology, once one of the four pillars of science\u2014alongside Physics, Chemistry, and Biology\u2014has virtually disappeared from secondary school curricula. What would you say to the Minister of Education?<\/strong>
\nThat she should stop criticising those who designed and built the house she lives in\u2014because one day it might collapse, for lack of geological understanding.<\/p>\n

To finish, do you have any social hopes you\u2019d like to share?<\/strong>
\nYes: that we learn to live with the people of each place, respecting the link that every culture has with its land. We need to recover a good part of our folk culture\u2014and reconnect with our roots.<\/p>\n

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