{"id":35765,"date":"2026-06-17T08:30:29","date_gmt":"2026-06-17T06:30:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/?p=35765"},"modified":"2026-06-18T08:41:54","modified_gmt":"2026-06-18T06:41:54","slug":"carles-lalueza-fox-potser-veurem-laparicio-del-transhumanisme","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/ca\/carles-lalueza-fox-potser-veurem-laparicio-del-transhumanisme\/","title":{"rendered":"Carles Lalueza\u2011Fox: &#8220;Potser veurem l\u2019aparici\u00f3 del transhumanisme?&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Carles Lalueza\/ Foto: cortesia de l&#8217;autor<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>CARA A CARA AMB<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Carles Lalueza-Fox, expert internacional en paleogen\u00e8tica<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a style=\"display: inline-block;\" href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-nc-nd\/4.0\/deed.ca\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"license noopener noreferrer\">Llic\u00e8ncia Creative Commons<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"height: 22px!important; margin-left: 3px; vertical-align: text-bottom;\" src=\"https:\/\/mirrors.creativecommons.org\/presskit\/icons\/cc.svg?ref=chooser-v1\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"height: 22px!important; margin-left: 3px; vertical-align: text-bottom;\" src=\"https:\/\/mirrors.creativecommons.org\/presskit\/icons\/by.svg?ref=chooser-v1\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"height: 22px!important; margin-left: 3px; vertical-align: text-bottom;\" src=\"https:\/\/mirrors.creativecommons.org\/presskit\/icons\/nc.svg?ref=chooser-v1\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"height: 22px!important; margin-left: 3px; vertical-align: text-bottom;\" src=\"https:\/\/mirrors.creativecommons.org\/presskit\/icons\/nd.svg?ref=chooser-v1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DAVIDRABADA\"><strong><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-14927\" src=\"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/David-Rabada-1-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"70\" height=\"70\" \/><\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DAVIDRABADA\"><strong>David Rabad\u00e0<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Jo ja havia llegit treballs d\u2019ell abans de trobar-nos per a aquesta entrevista. Va ser el dilluns 23 de febrer de 2026 que el vaig poder escoltar durant una confer\u00e8ncia a la Biblioteca de la Sagrada Fam\u00edlia, en una sala d\u2019actes plena de gom-a-gom amb m\u00e9s d\u2019un centenar de persones. La seva capacitat de transmetre la complexitat de la gen\u00e8tica evolutiva amb claredat i passi\u00f3 va confirmar el prestigi cient\u00edfic i divulgatiu que ja li coneixia a trav\u00e9s dels seus llibres i articles.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Carles Lalueza\u2011Fox<\/strong> (Barcelona, 1965) \u00e9s un dels investigadors m\u00e9s reconeguts internacionalment en l\u2019\u00e0mbit de la biologia evolutiva i la paleogen\u00e8tica, disciplina que estudia l\u2019ADN antic per comprendre l\u2019evoluci\u00f3 humana i la relaci\u00f3 entre les poblacions del passat i les del present. La seva recerca ha estat clau per obrir noves perspectives sobre els neandertals, la hist\u00f2ria gen\u00e8tica de la nostra esp\u00e8cie i la d\u2019altres parents nostres extingits. Des de jove va mostrar un inter\u00e8s profund pel m\u00f3n natural, els f\u00f2ssils i l\u2019evoluci\u00f3, una curiositat que el va portar a elaborar una col\u00b7lecci\u00f3 pr\u00f2pia de materials paleontol\u00f2gics i a desenvolupar una sensibilitat molt primerenca envers la hist\u00f2ria profunda de la humanitat. Aquest inter\u00e8s inicial es va convertir amb el temps en una vocaci\u00f3 cient\u00edfica s\u00f2lida.<\/p>\n<p>L\u2019any 1983 va iniciar la seva formaci\u00f3 universit\u00e0ria en un context en qu\u00e8 la influ\u00e8ncia familiar i l\u2019entorn intel\u00b7lectual van tenir un pes rellevant en la seva orientaci\u00f3 cap a les ci\u00e8ncies naturals i la recerca. Es va doctorar en Biologia i ben aviat va especialitzar-se en gen\u00e8tica evolutiva, un camp que en aquell moment encara era incipient pel que fa a l\u2019estudi d\u2019ADN antic. Una etapa clau de la seva traject\u00f2ria va ser l\u2019estada a la Universitat d\u2019Oxford, on va ampliar la seva formaci\u00f3 i va entrar en contacte amb grups capdavanters en gen\u00e8tica i evoluci\u00f3 humana. Aquesta experi\u00e8ncia va consolidar la seva orientaci\u00f3 cap a la paleogen\u00e8tica i va marcar l\u2019inici d\u2019una carrera cient\u00edfica amb una forta projecci\u00f3 internacional on ha estat investigador del Consejo Superior de Investigaciones Cient\u00edficas (CSIC), i on ha desenvolupat algunes de les l\u00ednies de recerca m\u00e9s influents sobre genomes antics.<\/p>\n<p>Els seus treballs han tingut una gran repercussi\u00f3 medi\u00e0tica, especialment aquells relacionats amb el genoma dels neandertals, la hibridaci\u00f3 amb humans moderns i la interpretaci\u00f3 gen\u00e8tica de f\u00f2ssils emblem\u00e0tics. Actualment est\u00e0 vinculat al Museu de Ci\u00e8ncies Naturals de Barcelona, on exerceix tasques de direcci\u00f3 i de recerca, alhora que impulsa la divulgaci\u00f3 cient\u00edfica i el di\u00e0leg entre ci\u00e8ncia, hist\u00f2ria i societat. A m\u00e9s de la seva activitat investigadora, Lalueza-Fox \u00e9s autor de diversos llibres de divulgaci\u00f3 cient\u00edfica, on reflexiona sobre l\u2019evoluci\u00f3 humana, la gen\u00e8tica, la identitat i les implicacions \u00e8tiques del coneixement cient\u00edfic. La seva obra escrita ha contribu\u00eft a acostar al gran p\u00fablic q\u00fcestions complexes de la biologia evolutiva amb un llenguatge clar i rigor\u00f3s.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mirant enrere, com valores l\u2019esfor\u00e7 sostingut que t\u2019ha perm\u00e8s assolir l\u2019actual reconeixement internacional en el camp de la biologia evolutiva?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Be, establir una l\u00ednia de recerca que en aquell temps era nova, i bastir un laboratori de paleogen\u00f2mica en un pa\u00eds com el nostre, on tot s\u2019improvisa, pot ser esgotador. Quan vaig comen\u00e7ar, honestament, no pensava que hi hauria una revoluci\u00f3 tecnol\u00f2gica que permetria que el camp de l\u2019ADN antic es convert\u00eds en el fenomen de masses que \u00e9s actualment. Els joves que hi treballen no tenen ni idea de les dificultats t\u00e8cniques a les quals ens enfront\u00e0vem a finals del segle passat, ni tampoc de lo desconegut que era tot. Ara tota la recerca es fa de manera industrial, i fa tres d\u00e8cades era purament artesanal. L\u2019any passat v\u00e0rem sobrepassar els 13.000 genomes humans antics recuperats, que inclouen, com sabeu, diversos parents extingits, com neandertals i denisovans. Tot i que el camp ha avan\u00e7at de forma extraordin\u00e0ria, a vegades penso que s\u2019ha perdut una mica el sentit de l\u2019aventura, d\u2019endinsar-se en el desconegut, que tenia quan comen\u00e7ava.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Ara tota la recerca es fa de manera industrial, i fa tres d\u00e8cades era purament artesanal&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>D\u2019on neix el teu inter\u00e8s primerenc per recol\u00b7lectar f\u00f2ssils i qu\u00e8 senties davant la teva pr\u00f2pia col\u00b7lecci\u00f3?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>El meu pare era un col\u00b7leccionista vocacional -tot i que ca\u00f2tic. Jo crec que vaig heretar d\u2019ell aquesta vocaci\u00f3, tot i que l\u2019he dirigida cap a coses espec\u00edfiques, com els denaris imperials romans o els f\u00f2ssils. M\u2019interessaven especialment aquells f\u00f2ssils -tinc predilecci\u00f3 pels trilobits- que mostraven plans funcionals que ja no existeixen. Aquesta fascinaci\u00f3 va entroncar amb la que vaig sentir per estudiar el proc\u00e9s evolutiu.<em>\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Quin paper van tenir la teva fam\u00edlia i el teu entorn durant la inf\u00e0ncia i l\u2019adolesc\u00e8ncia en la construcci\u00f3 de la teva vocaci\u00f3 cient\u00edfica?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Al meu pare li agradava molt la hist\u00f2ria, i tenia molts llibres -poques vegades el veia llegint donat que abans es treballava moltes m\u00e9s hores que ara-. Recordo especialment un llibre de l\u2019editorial Life que es deia \u201cEvoluci\u00f3n\u201d; el cap\u00edtol de la selecci\u00f3 natural es deia, si ho recordo be, \u201cLa teoria que estremeci\u00f3 al mundo\u201d, un t\u00edtol que, curiosament, encara podria funcionar. Jo era el petit de quatre i suposo que aix\u00f2 tamb\u00e9 et fa madurar abans, ja que vas heretant tot el que els teus germans ja han descobert abans. Tamb\u00e9 tenia una curiositat natural per con\u00e8ixer coses que crec que la nova generaci\u00f3 en general ha perdut, perqu\u00e8 tenen massa informaci\u00f3 i massa f\u00e0cil.<\/p>\n<p><strong>L\u2019inici de la teva formaci\u00f3 universit\u00e0ria l\u2019any 1983 va estar influenciat per familiars o germans, o va ser una decisi\u00f3 plenament personal?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No sabia qu\u00e8 volia estudiar; \u00e9s una cosa que tamb\u00e9 els passa ara als joves quan acaben batxillerat. Vaig comen\u00e7ar biologia una mica dubt\u00f3s, perqu\u00e8 el meu germ\u00e0 mitj\u00e0 tamb\u00e9 l\u2019estava fent. Al comen\u00e7ament no em va agradar gaire, per\u00f2 vaig perseverar fins descobrir assignatures d\u2019evoluci\u00f3 que em van fascinar. Quan entens l\u2019evoluci\u00f3, veus el m\u00f3n natural de forma diferent. Tot cobra un nou sentit.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Quan entens l\u2019evoluci\u00f3, veus el m\u00f3n natural de forma diferent. Tot cobra un nou sentit&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Quan i com sorgeix la teva sensibilitat especial per la conjunci\u00f3 entre hist\u00f2ria humana, f\u00f2ssils i gen\u00e8tica?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Sempre he estat interessat pel passat. No s\u00e9 perqu\u00e8, em resulta m\u00e9s fascinant fins i tot que el futur. Quan van comen\u00e7ar a arribar not\u00edcies, al darrer any de carrera, que s\u2019havia inventat la PCR, una t\u00e8cnica que permetia recuperar f\u00e0cilment petits fragments d\u2019ADN, i potser es podria aplicar a restes antigues, m\u2019hi vaig llen\u00e7ar de cap. De fet, vaig acabar fent la primera tesis doctoral d\u2019ADN antic de l\u2019estat espanyol, l\u2019any 1995.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Qu\u00e8 et va portar a anar a Oxford i qu\u00e8 hi vas aprendre que consideris determinant per a la teva traject\u00f2ria cient\u00edfica?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>De fet, vaig anar primer a Cambridge, l\u2019any 1997. All\u00e0 hi havia una pionera de l\u2019ADN antic, Erika Hagelberg. La Generalitat em va concedir una beca postdoctoral per dos anys. Quan portava un any, vaig sentir que s\u2019estava construint un laboratori nou a Oxford de paleogen\u00e8tica i llavors m\u2019hi vaig traslladar, l\u2019any 1998. Crec que per qualsevol investigador \u00e9s fonamental con\u00e8ixer altres laboratoris, i altres formes de fer, i a m\u00e9s a m\u00e9s coneixes gent molt interessant. La meva estada a Oxford, que va acabar amb una publicaci\u00f3 a <em>Nature,<\/em> va cimentar la meva voluntat de fer una carrera cient\u00edfica<em>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>De tota la teva recerca en gen\u00e8tica, quina creus que ha estat la que ha tingut m\u00e9s repercussi\u00f3 medi\u00e0tica, i per qu\u00e8?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Segueixo veient que se\u2019m coneix m\u00e9s pels meus treballs en gen\u00e8tica neandertal, que varen culminar en la participaci\u00f3 en el Genoma Neandertal. Per\u00f2 des de llavors, he publicat molt\u00edssim en poblacions humanes del passat m\u00e9s recent, des de la prehist\u00f2ria fins l\u2019Edat Mitjana. I tamb\u00e9, darrerament, en esp\u00e8cies no humanes extintes i tamb\u00e9 en pat\u00f2gens. Per\u00f2 \u00e9s dif\u00edcil lluitar contra la fascinaci\u00f3 -per altra banda, comprensible- que provoquen els neandertals.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Es dif\u00edcil lluitar contra la fascinaci\u00f3 -per altra banda, comprensible- que provoquen els neandertals&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>L\u2019any 2010, quants paleogenomes estaven publicats? I actualment, quants n\u2019hi ha? Com valores aquesta evoluci\u00f3 tan r\u00e0pida del camp?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>L\u2019any 2010 es van publicar els tres primers paleogenomes: el neandertal, el denisov\u00e0 (la darrera setmana de l\u2019any!) i un paleoeskimo de fa uns 5.000 anys. L\u2019any passat es van sobrepassar els 13.000 genomes humans antics. Hem arribat a una fase industrial, gr\u00e0cies a la revoluci\u00f3 de les t\u00e8cniques de seq\u00fcenciaci\u00f3 que va comen\u00e7ar l\u2019any 2008. Per\u00f2 ara gran part del qu\u00e8 es publica \u00e9s \u201cmainstream\u201d.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Per qu\u00e8 has passat de l\u2019estudi de genomes molt antics a genomes cada cop m\u00e9s recents dins la hist\u00f2ria humana?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Hi ha molta competici\u00f3 i molt poques mostres disponibles. Diria, per exemple, que quasi es deuen haver analitzat la majoria de mostres neandertals que hi ha al m\u00f3n (la majoria d\u2019elles, cal recordar, no tenen ADN conservat). Com que segueixo interessat en la historia m\u00e9s recent, no \u00e9s estrany que m\u2019hagi mogut cap a l\u2019actualitat. Trobo fascinant el que estic investigant ara, per exemple: l\u2019impacte gen\u00e8tic de les grans migracions que tenen lloc a la caiguda de l\u2019imperi rom\u00e0. \u00c9s una font d\u2019informaci\u00f3 totalment diferent de la hist\u00f2rica i arqueol\u00f2gica.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Trobo fascinant el que estic investigant ara, per exemple: l\u2019impacte gen\u00e8tic de les grans migracions que tenen lloc a la caiguda de l\u2019imperi rom\u00e0&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Com veus el futur de la gen\u00e8tica davant els grans poders econ\u00f2mics i pol\u00edtics<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ah, aix\u00f2 \u00e9s un tema que donaria per un llibre. Per una banda, tenim ara tecnologies que permeten modificar l\u2019ADN (o la seva expressi\u00f3, modificant l\u2019ARN). Aix\u00f2 es pot fer servir per curar malalties fins ara terribles, i tothom estar\u00e0 d\u2019acord que aix\u00f2 \u00e9s l\u00edcit. Per\u00f2 els mil-milionaris tecnol\u00f2gics han descobert que no es poden endur la riquesa a la tomba, i han decidit que no volen morir-se. Si considerem l\u2019envelliment com una esp\u00e8cie de malaltia, llavors potser estar\u00edem legitimats a fer servir aquestes t\u00e8cniques per lluitar-hi? Potser veurem l\u2019aparici\u00f3 del transhumanisme?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Caram! B\u00e9, quin projecte futur \u00e9s el que et genera m\u00e9s il\u00b7lusi\u00f3?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>M\u2019agradaria seguir investigant en temes que fossin originals. Per fer el que fa tothom, segur que els joves i els grans laboratoris ho faran millor.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Per tant?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Cal buscar idees que ning\u00fa no hagi pensat, o mostres que no sembli que puguin funcionar. Ara estic estudiant mosquits antics, alguns de m\u00e9s de cent anys, i trobo fascinant poder recuperar virus i altres pat\u00f2gens que potser s\u00f3n diferents dels actuals. Tamb\u00e9 voldria ajudar la gent jove per tal que no hagin de patir les incerteses que v\u00e0rem patir els de la nostre edat. Lluitar per bastir una societat cient\u00edficament informada i socialment cr\u00edtica. \u00c9s una tasca enorme, per\u00f2 s\u2019ha de lluitar.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Font: <strong>educational EVIDENCE<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Drets: <strong>Creative Commons<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Carles Lalueza\u2011Fox (Barcelona, 1965) \u00e9s un dels investigadors m\u00e9s reconeguts internacionalment en l\u2019\u00e0mbit de la biologia evolutiva i la paleogen\u00e8tica, disciplina que estudia l\u2019ADN antic per comprendre l\u2019evoluci\u00f3 humana i la relaci\u00f3 entre les poblacions del passat i les del 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