{"id":28619,"date":"2025-06-19T08:51:34","date_gmt":"2025-06-19T06:51:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/?p=28619"},"modified":"2025-06-20T08:58:37","modified_gmt":"2025-06-20T06:58:37","slug":"jaume-barbera-tenim-realment-un-sistema-educatiu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/ca\/jaume-barbera-tenim-realment-un-sistema-educatiu\/","title":{"rendered":"Jaume Barber\u00e0: “Tenim realment un sistema educatiu?”"},"content":{"rendered":"

CARA A CARA AMB<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Jaume Barber\u00e0 i Ribas, periodista i escriptor<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jaume Barber\u00e0: “Tenim realment un sistema educatiu?”<\/h1>\n
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Aquest presentador de televisi\u00f3\u00a0catal\u00e0 nascut l\u2019any 1955, ha treballat incansablement durant m\u00e9s de trenta anys a\u00a0TV3\u00a0al capdavant de programes tan magistrals com\u00a0Singulars<\/em>,\u00a0Els Matins<\/em> o\u00a0Bon Dia Catalunya<\/em>. Tamb\u00e9 va dirigir i presentar el programa de televisi\u00f3\u00a0Retrats<\/em> des de l\u2019any 2014 fins al 2016.<\/p>\n

Com a escriptor cal ressenyar el manuscrit S’ha acabat el br\u00f2quil<\/em>, que fou el llibre m\u00e9s venut del g\u00e8nere no-ficci\u00f3\u00a0durant el\u00a0Sant Jordi de 2013. El 2016 va publicar (In)satisfets<\/em> on va criticar la depend\u00e8ncia social de les subst\u00e0ncies sedants. Davant aquesta ment inquieta i de cul d\u2019en jaumet, que no Jaume, cal compartir amb ell un nou \u2018Cara a Cara\u2019 per al magazine Educational Evidence<\/em>.<\/p>\n

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Senyor Barber\u00e0, com descriuria amb tres adjectius la seva evoluci\u00f3 professional des dels seus inicis en el periodisme fins a convertir-se en una figura reconeguda a TV3?<\/strong><\/p>\n

El primer adjectiu seria curiositat, b\u00e0sica i essencial en periodisme. El segon const\u00e0ncia en la feina i en tot en la vida. I el tercer comprom\u00eds.<\/p>\n

Comprom\u00eds m\u00e9s que implicaci\u00f3: en un ous ferrats amb pernil, la gallina s\u2019hi implica, per\u00f2 el porc s\u2019hi compromet. Seguint amb el seu comprom\u00eds li he de preguntar, quantes disciplines diferents va estudiar? Quin professor creu que el va influir m\u00e9s positivament en el seu comprom\u00eds?<\/strong><\/p>\n

He estudiat magisteri i sociologia passant per filologia anglesa, inform\u00e0tica i t\u00e8cnic de borsa on tot m\u2019ha enriquit molt. I al respecte d\u2019un docent que m\u2019hagi colpit positivament en el comprom\u00eds davant de la vida aquest va ser en Jos\u00e9 Maria Albadalejo.<\/p>\n

Per alguna ra\u00f3 en especial?<\/strong><\/p>\n

S\u00ed, em va emp\u00e8nyer a voler treballar ja als 13 anys. Eren \u00e8poques m\u00e9s aspres.<\/p>\n

Creu que calen grans professors doctes per tal que sorgeixin grans alumnes h\u00e0bils?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I tant! I tant! I tant! Calen i falten grans professors per impulsar nous grans ciutadans. Jo aix\u00f2 ho s\u00e9 perfectament donat que he estat mestre d\u2019escola i despr\u00e9s professor d\u2019universitat. Malauradament, i avui dia, una suposada esquerra, la que jo anomeno \u201cl\u2019esquerra de la tonteria\u201d, ha matat el mestre i la meritocr\u00e0cia en ensenyament.<\/p>\n

“Malauradament, i avui dia, una suposada esquerra, la que jo anomeno \u201cl\u2019esquerra de la tonteria\u201d, ha matat el mestre i la meritocr\u00e0cia en ensenyament”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Ens han rebaixat els nivells d\u2019exig\u00e8ncia creant un parc d\u2019atraccions a totes les nostres escoles?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Exactament.<\/p>\n

Molts el coneixen a vost\u00e8 per programes magistrals com “Singulars”. Quin criteri va seguir per a triar als seus entrevistats i temes?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Abans de respondre a la seva pregunta cal entendre que el programa \u201cSingulars\u201d fou fill d\u2019un context on la crisi del capitalisme i el neoliberalisme financer preocupaven i molt. Vet aqu\u00ed que vam ser l\u00edders d\u2019audi\u00e8ncia a l\u2019escollir temes i convidats que expliquessin el que estava passant de la manera m\u00e9s did\u00e0ctica possible amb moments brillants com l\u2019entrevista a n\u2019Alejandro Galeano. Al final Converg\u00e8ncia i Uni\u00f3 va ordenar el tancament del programa.<\/p>\n

He d\u2019entendre el que estem pensant els dos?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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En la seva traject\u00f2ria ha abordat temes socials i pol\u00edtics amb molta profunditat. Creu que els mitjans p\u00fablics estan complint b\u00e9 la seva funci\u00f3 informativa avui dia?<\/strong><\/p>\n

No del tot. Els mitjans p\u00fablics els cal un departament o comissi\u00f3 de qualitat tal que, i davant l\u2019elevada producci\u00f3 de not\u00edcies, faci de filtre supervisant la qualitat de les mateixes.<\/p>\n

“Els mitjans p\u00fablics els cal un departament o comissi\u00f3 de qualitat tal que, i davant l\u2019elevada producci\u00f3 de not\u00edcies, faci de filtre supervisant la qualitat de les mateixes”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Per\u00f2 al ritme que va actualment l\u2019edici\u00f3 de not\u00edcies, aix\u00f2 es fa molt complicat?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Potser s\u00ed, per\u00f2 cal que el periodista repensi i contrasti el que escriu i com ho diu abans no estigui publicat. Cal que ho revisi molt b\u00e9 abans no ho tingui editat externament. De vegades, i per les presses, no es redacten b\u00e9 les not\u00edcies.<\/p>\n

Quin paper creu que ha de tenir un periodista o presentador enfront de la creixent desinformaci\u00f3 i polaritzaci\u00f3 medi\u00e0tica?<\/strong><\/p>\n

D\u2019entrada dist\u00e0ncia. I abans de res, pensar molt b\u00e9 all\u00f2 que es dir\u00e0 ajustant-se als fets i allunyant-se de les ideologies i opinions. I si cal opinar, jo ho he fet, que quedi clar que ho fas en una secci\u00f3 d\u2019editorial.<\/p>\n

Creu que \u00e9s possible no opinar quan es redacta una not\u00edcia?<\/strong><\/p>\n

No, quan ja esculls un tema i un convidat, ja est\u00e0s opinant.<\/p>\n

En la seva carrera professional qu\u00e8 signifiquen les paraules disciplina, responsabilitat i perseveran\u00e7a?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Caram! Quines tres paraules! Sense aquestes no pots anar per la vida. \u00c9s m\u00e9s, els periodistes no podem treballar correctament sense aquestes tres paraules. Cal ser molt conscients que tenim una gran responsabilitat social.<\/p>\n

Per quina ra\u00f3 ho diu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Perqu\u00e8 un periodista pot desgraciar la vida d\u2019una persona. Cal ser molt curosos quan editem una not\u00edcia, i sense disciplina, responsabilitat i perseveran\u00e7a aix\u00f2 no \u00e9s possible.<\/p>\n

Vost\u00e8 ha dit en diverses ocasions que li interessa m\u00e9s sentir que parlar. Com es conrea aquesta actitud en un m\u00f3n medi\u00e0tic tan accelerat?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Crec que va ser S\u00e8neca que va dir, qui domina una conversa no \u00e9s qui parla, sin\u00f3 qui escolta<\/em>. I tenia tota la ra\u00f3 del m\u00f3n. Per tal d\u2019aprendre cal portar convidats que saben molt i escoltar-los. Quan aix\u00ed ho has fet durant una entrevista, i despr\u00e9s d\u2019aquesta, tu ja no ets el mateix. El convidat t\u2019ha canviat.<\/p>\n

“Per tal d\u2019aprendre cal portar convidats que saben molt i escoltar-los. Quan aix\u00ed ho has fet durant una entrevista, i despr\u00e9s d\u2019aquesta, tu ja no ets el mateix. El convidat t\u2019ha canviat”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

En fi, <\/strong>“qui parla, sembra; qui escolta, cull”<\/strong><\/p>\n

Exactament.<\/p>\n

Al respecte del seu \u00e8xit professional, veu relaci\u00f3 entre l\u2019esfor\u00e7 passat com estudiant i la seva projecci\u00f3 period\u00edstica actual?<\/strong><\/p>\n

S\u00ed, per\u00f2 no sols com estudiant sin\u00f3 com persona. Sempre m\u2019he comprom\u00e8s en all\u00f2 que ens pot fer millors amb esfor\u00e7, curiositat i disciplina. Sempre he treballat molt en aquest sentit.<\/p>\n

Quina entrevista o moment en la seva carrera considera significatiu o transformador per a vost\u00e8 personalment?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Aquesta \u00e9s una pregunta molt dif\u00edcil. Han estat moltes les entrevistes que he fet i all\u00f2 que recordes \u00e9s m\u00e9s l\u2019emoci\u00f3 del moment que no pas la ra\u00f3. Potser les entrevistes vinculades a la Guerra del Golf o les del tsunami d\u2019Indon\u00e8sia em van colpir molt. A nivell de persones recordo molt l\u2019entrevista amb el religi\u00f3s clareti\u00e0, Pera Casald\u00e0liga. Vaig anar a parlar amb ell com ateu i vaig tornar com agn\u00f2stic.<\/p>\n

Crec que l\u2019entenc. A mi em va passar el mateix amb l\u2019escriptor Rom\u00e0 Comamala. Potser l\u2019espiritualitat forma part del teixit hum\u00e0 m\u00e9s profund.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Potser.<\/p>\n

Si tornem al periodisme li voldria preguntar com creu que ha canviat la televisi\u00f3 p\u00fablica catalana des que va comen\u00e7ar a treballar en ella? I el m\u00e9s important, cap a on creu que hauria de millorar?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jo diria que la nostra televisi\u00f3 p\u00fablica catalana continua sent una molt bona TV3. Amb diners p\u00fablics vam crear una televisi\u00f3 avui en dia premiada en el m\u00f3n. Ara b\u00e9, cal una supervisi\u00f3 de qualitat per tal d\u2019evitar les presses, les immediateses i les males redaccions en les edicions.<\/p>\n

Amb tanta velocitat de les not\u00edcies, no creu vost\u00e8 que falta socialment molta cultura cient\u00edfica i human\u00edstica? O potser est\u00e0 el nostre sistema educatiu diluint la transmissi\u00f3 de coneixements cient\u00edfics i human\u00edstics?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Li respondr\u00e9 amb una pregunta ret\u00f2rica: Tenim realment un sistema educatiu?<\/p>\n

Doncs no s\u00e9 qu\u00e8 dir-li.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Doncs que \u00e9s una vergonya el que est\u00e0 passant a nivell d\u2019ensenyament en el nostre pa\u00eds. Jo mateix vaig formar part dels moviments de renovaci\u00f3 pedag\u00f2gica dels anys vuitanta i mai no m\u2019hagu\u00e9s imaginat el que despr\u00e9s ha provocat. Els alumnes no saben llegir, i si no saben llegir no poden aprendre dels escrits antecedents. Un pa\u00eds sense un sistema educatiu s\u00f2lid no \u00e9s res, no pot aspirar a res.<\/p>\n

“Jo mateix vaig formar part dels moviments de renovaci\u00f3 pedag\u00f2gica dels anys vuitanta i mai no m\u2019hagu\u00e9s imaginat el que despr\u00e9s ha provocat”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I aqu\u00ed arribem als molts xerraires que sense coneixements ni formaci\u00f3 transiten lliurament per les xarxes<\/strong><\/p>\n

Els qui fan molt soroll sense ser experts<\/p>\n

Exactament. La pregunta que li far\u00e9 \u00e9s qu\u00e8 sent quan tants practiquen l\u2019opinar per opinar per les xarxes?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Doncs quan escolto la paraula \u201cinfluencer\u201d directament tanco la r\u00e0dio o la televisi\u00f3. Jo mateix, i actualment, no estic intensament per les xarxes davant tant opinar per opinar. Cal anar molt en compte i contrastar molt b\u00e9 les informacions que ens arriben. Jo consulto sempre mitjans coneguts, contrastats i professionals oblidant-me dels qui opinen sense criteris de base.<\/p>\n

Ens podria explicar els detalls d\u2019un projecte professional o personal imminent?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tinc un nou llibre en redacci\u00f3, per\u00f2, i ho sento, no en puc parlar encara.<\/p>\n

Independentment d\u2019aquest nou llibre, ara imagini que li han regalat un l\u00e0mpada m\u00e0gica. Quin desig personal li demanaria?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Doncs, ras i curt, poder continuar compartint amb salut i amor la vida amb la meva fam\u00edlia.<\/p>\n

Finalment quin consell donaria als joves periodistes que volen fer un treball comprom\u00e8s i de qualitat en els mitjans actuals?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00c9s molt senzill, que facin el que facin, comprovin si la seva not\u00edcia respon a les preguntes de quan ha passat, qu\u00e8 ha passat, com ha passat i perqu\u00e8 ha passat. Si aix\u00ed ho responen tot ser\u00e0 una bona pe\u00e7a. En cas contrari no estaran fent b\u00e9 el seu ofici.<\/p>\n

Jaume Barber\u00e0, gr\u00e0cies per compartir aquesta entrevista.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Desitjo haver-li canviat la perspectiva de la vida.<\/p>\n

Ho ha fet.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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