{"id":23585,"date":"2025-01-15T09:24:17","date_gmt":"2025-01-15T08:24:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/?p=23585"},"modified":"2025-01-15T09:26:10","modified_gmt":"2025-01-15T08:26:10","slug":"alberto-torres-blandina-ja-ningu-busca-la-veritat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/ca\/alberto-torres-blandina-ja-ningu-busca-la-veritat\/","title":{"rendered":"Alberto Torres Blandina: &#8220;Ja ning\u00fa busca la veritat&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Entrevista a Alberto Torres Blandina<\/p>\n<h1>Alberto Torres Blandina: &#8220;Ja ning\u00fa busca la veritat&#8221;<\/h1>\n<figure id=\"attachment_23496\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-23496\" style=\"width: 900px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-23496\" src=\"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/alberto-torres-blandina.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"506\" srcset=\"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/alberto-torres-blandina.jpg 900w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/alberto-torres-blandina-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/alberto-torres-blandina-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/alberto-torres-blandina-570x320.jpg 570w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/alberto-torres-blandina-270x152.jpg 270w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-23496\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alberto Torres Blandina. Foto: cortesia de l&#8217;autor<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><a style=\"display: inline-block;\" href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-nc-nd\/4.0\/deed.ca\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"license noopener noreferrer\">Llic\u00e8ncia Creative Commons<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"height: 22px!important; margin-left: 3px; vertical-align: text-bottom;\" src=\"https:\/\/mirrors.creativecommons.org\/presskit\/icons\/cc.svg?ref=chooser-v1\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"height: 22px!important; margin-left: 3px; vertical-align: text-bottom;\" src=\"https:\/\/mirrors.creativecommons.org\/presskit\/icons\/by.svg?ref=chooser-v1\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"height: 22px!important; margin-left: 3px; vertical-align: text-bottom;\" src=\"https:\/\/mirrors.creativecommons.org\/presskit\/icons\/nc.svg?ref=chooser-v1\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"height: 22px!important; margin-left: 3px; vertical-align: text-bottom;\" src=\"https:\/\/mirrors.creativecommons.org\/presskit\/icons\/nd.svg?ref=chooser-v1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-12365\" src=\"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Andreu-cover-696x452-1-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"70\" height=\"70\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/AndreuNavarra\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Andreu Navarra<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Alberto Torres Blandina<\/strong> \u00e9s professor de literatura i de creaci\u00f3 liter\u00e0ria. Ha publicat vuit novel\u00b7les, 3 novel\u00b7les infantils i dos poemaris, i ara presenta <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><a style=\"color: #0000ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.barlinlibros.org\/el-arte-de-educar-a-estupidos\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>El Arte de educar est\u00fapidos<\/em><\/a><\/span> (Barlin Libros), les seves reflexions sobre el proc\u00e9s d&#8217;ensenyar i aprendre, i tamb\u00e9 sobre el m\u00f3n l\u00edquid on ens ha tocat exercir-nos com a adults i adolescents.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Primera pregunta, d&#8217;alguna manera obligada: Com se&#8217;t va acudir o va sorgir la idea d&#8217;escriure <em>El Arte de educar est\u00fapidos<\/em>? Si no m&#8217;equivoco, \u00e9s la teva primera incursi\u00f3 a l&#8217;assaig\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Durant un viatge a Isl\u00e0ndia, per a con\u00e8ixer el sistema educatiu, em vaig adonar que el seu enfocament era molt diferent de l&#8217;espanyol. Quan vaig veure nens de set anys en una optativa de cuina amb ganivets i foc vaig preguntar al professor si no hi havia mai accidents. Em va dir que s\u00ed, que \u00e9s clar. I els pares qu\u00e8 diuen? Em va mirar conf\u00fas. No us demanden?, vaig insistir. I va continuar conf\u00fas. Per qu\u00e8 ens haurien de demandar? Si treballen amb foc doncs alguna vegada es cremaran, no?<\/p>\n<p>Les meves preguntes tenien sentit en un pa\u00eds sobreprotector com Espanya, on no es deixa ni els alumnes de Batxiller sortir del centre si no van acompanyats, no sigui que els agafi un cotxe; no obstant aix\u00f2, eren preguntes est\u00fapides a Isl\u00e0ndia, cosa que em va fer pensar molt en aquest <em>lost in translation<\/em> cultural.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;El nostre sistema va en contra de la responsabilitat i l&#8217;autonomia, del car\u00e0cter creatiu i emprenedor. De la maduresa&#8230;&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Aquesta no va ser l&#8217;\u00fanica experi\u00e8ncia, com explico al llibre, que em va sorprendre. I totes tenien una cosa en com\u00fa: donaven responsabilitat i no sobreprotegien; donaven confian\u00e7a i no desconfian\u00e7a. M\u00e9s tard vaig investigar altres sistemes i vaig veure clar que el nostre sistema educatiu t\u00e9 moltes coses bones, per\u00f2 en t\u00e9 algunes de dolent\u00edssimes. Entre elles, el fet que tot (legislaci\u00f3, pares i mares, professorat, directiva\u2026) est\u00e0 creat des de la idea no expl\u00edcita, per\u00f2 latent, que els nens i els joves s\u00f3n incapa\u00e7os, per la qual cosa han d&#8217;estar sempre supervisats. El nostre sistema va contra la responsabilitat i l&#8217;autonomia, del car\u00e0cter creatiu i emprenedor. De la maduresa, cosa que veiem en aquests alumnes universitaris que la seva mare omple la matr\u00edcula\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Vaig decidir donar-li forma perqu\u00e8 crec que no ens estem adonant que les bones intencions no sempre acaben b\u00e9. Volem posar-ho f\u00e0cil per\u00f2 el que fem \u00e9s convertir-los en dependents i poc resolutius. S\u00f3c de la idea de Plat\u00f3 que actuem malament per desconeixement (s\u00ed, s\u00f3c optimista per vocaci\u00f3\u2026 i amb molta feina, jaja). I, sobretot, vaig voler que no fos un llibre de car\u00e0cter acad\u00e8mic, sin\u00f3 un assaig \u00e0gil i f\u00e0cil de llegir, on s&#8217;abordessin temes dif\u00edcils de manera senzilla i did\u00e0ctica perqu\u00e8 qualsevol pogu\u00e9s llegir-lo i entrar al debat. Fujo (a la meva obra, no a les meves lectures) de l&#8217;academicisme, que sempre m&#8217;ha semblat una mica elitista.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Escrius: \u201cFa la sensaci\u00f3 que hi ha un Gran Germ\u00e0 observant-ho tot que obliga els docents a autocensurar-se i les directives a exercir un horrible paper de censors, cosa que acaba creant esquerdes a la comunitat educativa\u201d (p\u00e0g. 28)\u2026 Aix\u00f2 \u00e9s cert?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>S\u00ed, \u00e9s el clima social d&#8217;ultraprotecci\u00f3, un clima gaireb\u00e9 malalt\u00eds, que ho escampa tot. Una idea molt espanyola (crec que m\u00e9s aviat mediterr\u00e0nia) que fa que una mare se senti culpable si no pot donar pit, o la mirin malament si decideix no fer-ho; que fem els deures dels nostres fills i demanem als professors que els aprovin perqu\u00e8 no es traumaticin, pobres. Que quan un alumne salta la tanca del centre per anar-se&#8217;n (a Isl\u00e0ndia no hi ha tanques) els pares demanin al centre com si els professors no es dediquessin a ensenyar sin\u00f3 a guardar i vigilar. Que les directives vigilin de prop el que fan els seus professors per evitar queixes, no fos cas que citin Darwin i hi hagi un nen cat\u00f2lic i els pares hagin de demanar comptes.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;No ens adonem per\u00f2 vivim obsessionats a a\u00efllar els nens de tot all\u00f2 que els far\u00e0 madurar, comprendre el m\u00f3n, confrontar, reflexionar, gestionar emocions negatives\u2026&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>No ens adonem per\u00f2 vivim obsessionats a a\u00efllar els nens de tot all\u00f2 que els far\u00e0 madurar, comprendre el m\u00f3n, confrontar, reflexionar, gestionar emocions negatives\u2026 I despr\u00e9s passa el que passa. \u00c9s com aquesta hist\u00f2ria d&#8217;uns europeus que van anar a un llogaret afric\u00e0 i van construir un pou perqu\u00e8 el m\u00e9s proper era a tres quil\u00f2metres. Aleshores les dones es van posar molt tristes perqu\u00e8 anar al pou plegades era la major llibertat que tenien en un ambient masclista. Les bones intencions de vegades acaben malament.<\/p>\n<p><strong>El subt\u00edtol del teu llibre \u00e9s: \u201cUna cr\u00edtica sociol\u00f2gica per recuperar la confian\u00e7a en l&#8217;educaci\u00f3\u201d. \u00c9s aqu\u00ed la clau del teu enfocament? Pots ampliar-nos-ho?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Crec que ja el t\u00edtol, \u2018L&#8217;art d&#8217;educar est\u00fapids\u2019, ironitza sobre com el sistema s&#8217;enfoca a educar els menors com si fossin est\u00fapids. Per\u00f2 defenso que no ho s\u00f3n per res. La generaci\u00f3 de vidre \u00e9s la que ha acabat sortint al carrer per treure fang a la DANA de Val\u00e8ncia, la meva ciutat, cosa que mostra molt b\u00e9 que la societat s&#8217;equivoca de ple amb ells.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_23568\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-23568\" style=\"width: 169px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-23568\" src=\"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Torres-int-1-169x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"169\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Torres-int-1-169x300.jpg 169w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Torres-int-1-577x1024.jpg 577w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Torres-int-1-186x330.jpg 186w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Torres-int-1-101x180.jpg 101w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Torres-int-1.jpg 700w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 169px) 100vw, 169px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-23568\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>El arte de educar a est\u00fapidos<\/em>, ironitza sobre com el sistema s&#8217;enfoca a educar els menors com si fossin est\u00fapids. \/ Foto: cortesia de l&#8217;autor.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>M&#8217;agrada sempre escriure en positiu. Gaireb\u00e9 tot el llibre \u00e9s una cr\u00edtica al sistema educatiu com a reflex d&#8217;una societat sobreprotectora, disneyficada, i capitalista on els pares i les mares es creuen clients amb drets a opinar sobre tot. I on la manca de conciliaci\u00f3 deriva en la compensaci\u00f3 mitjan\u00e7ant la queixa als que eduquen els teus fills. A aix\u00f2 s&#8217;hi afegeix un moment social de guerra cultural i desprestigi de la ra\u00f3 i la ci\u00e8ncia.<\/p>\n<p>Per\u00f2 un cop feta l&#8217;an\u00e0lisi, la part final del llibre pret\u00e9n donar claus de com podr\u00edem canviar aquestes coses, sin\u00f3 a nivell global (aix\u00f2 \u00e9s dif\u00edcil ara per ara, nom\u00e9s podem a curt termini obrir el debat) s\u00ed a la nostra pr\u00f2pia vida, al nostre enfocament com a pares i a les nostres classes si som docents.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cEls pares desconfien de la tasca docent\u201d (p\u00e0g.28)\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>El llibre parteix dels quatre nivells de desconfian\u00e7a que vertebren el sistema educatiu: desconfian\u00e7a d&#8217;adults en menors; de pares i mares cap al professorat; de legislaci\u00f3 i equips directius en docents&#8230; I aix\u00f2 acaba derivant en desconfian\u00e7a de l&#8217;alumnat en si mateix. Si ning\u00fa no confia en les teves capacitats, com ho podries fer tu?<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cEntre una dada objectiva i una xerrameca, la majoria triar\u00e0 la xerrameca si aquesta defensa els seus prejudicis\u201d (p\u00e0g. 54). Qu\u00e8 fer?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>L&#8217;individualisme ens ha portat a desconfiar de la ci\u00e8ncia (antivabressols, terraplanistes, ultrareligiosos&#8230;). En realitat, a desconfiar de la humanitat, que durant segles ha treballat unida, pas a pas, per a arribar a aven\u00e7os cient\u00edfics i tecnol\u00f2gics. L&#8217;individu (recolzat per les bombolles que generen les xarxes socials, on l&#8217;algorisme et mostra sobretot aquells que creuen el mateix que tu, per boig que aix\u00f2 sigui) creu que ho sap tot, que ning\u00fa no li pot ensenyar res. Aix\u00ed que ja ning\u00fa no busca la veritat. Nom\u00e9s es busquen aquelles excuses que defensin la teva Veritat triada. Nom\u00e9s ens hem de fixar en qu\u00e8 s&#8217;han convertit els mitjans de comunicaci\u00f3 per adonar-nos-en. Ja no busquen la veritat sin\u00f3 dir als seus all\u00f2 que desitgen escoltar. Un presentador de la FOX ho va confirmar: sab\u00edem que era mentida, per\u00f2 els nostres espectadors no volien que fos mentida aix\u00ed que vam dir que era veritat.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;L&#8217;individualisme ens ha portat a desconfiar de la ci\u00e8ncia (antivabressols, terraplanistes, ultrareligiosos&#8230;). En realitat, a desconfiar de la Humanitat&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Com milloraries l&#8217;educaci\u00f3 espanyola p\u00fablica? Quins serien els canvis que consideraries m\u00e9s urgents? Per on comen\u00e7aries?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Tots sabem qu\u00e8 cal fer, fins i tot el menys informat. Aix\u00f2 \u00e9s el que m\u00e9s m&#8217;emprenya perqu\u00e8 si no es fa \u00e9s perqu\u00e8 no es vol. El primer, que esquerra i dreta pactin una llei educativa perqu\u00e8 aquesta no canvi\u00ef cada cinc anys. El segon, treure burocr\u00e0cia (efecte de la desconfian\u00e7a de qu\u00e8 parl\u00e0vem) que fa que els docents perdin m\u00e9s temps dient el que fan que fent. El tercer, abaixar la r\u00e0tio i posar m\u00e9s especialistes, sobretot en temes d&#8217;integraci\u00f3. La integraci\u00f3 sense mitjans no existeix. Finalment, el tema que jo abordo al llibre: un enfocament basat en la confian\u00e7a i l&#8217;empoderament, no en la desconfian\u00e7a i la sobreprotecci\u00f3.<\/p>\n<p><strong>El teu llibre anterior no era una novel\u00b7la en \u00fas. Permet-me que faci una mica la vista enrere, fins a l&#8217;abril, quan vas publicar <em>Tierra<\/em> (Candaya). Qu\u00e8 \u00e9s aquesta obra? Ens ho pots explicar breument?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Tierra<\/em> \u00e9s un projecte que vaig comen\u00e7ar en una resid\u00e8ncia d&#8217;escriptors de Corea del Sud. Durant uns quants anys vaig estar parlant amb gent de m\u00e9s de cent pa\u00efsos sobre la seva vida, la de la seva fam\u00edlia, per explicar la intrahist\u00f2ria del m\u00f3n, \u00e9s a dir, la hist\u00f2ria dels que mai surten als llibres d&#8217;hist\u00f2ria. Des de la construcci\u00f3 del mur de Berl\u00edn fins al COVID, veiem com fam\u00edlies de diferents pa\u00efsos, cultures, religions\u2026 pateixen a les seves carns la Hist\u00f2ria: guerres, canvis pol\u00edtics, noves tecnologies, modes, idees trencadores\u2026 \u00c9s un llibre sobre la hist\u00f2ria recent explicada per la gent que ning\u00fa no escolta.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Qu\u00e8 est\u00e0s escrivint? S&#8217;assemblar\u00e0 m\u00e9s a <em>El arte\u2026<\/em> o a <em>Tierra<\/em><\/strong>?<\/p>\n<p>En aquests moments estic corregint un assaig sobre literatura espanyola\u00a0 titulat <em>Las Malas Obras<\/em> que parteix de la idea que les grans obres sempre s\u00f3n considerades dolentes pels seus contemporanis, sigui perqu\u00e8 no encaixen \u00e8ticament, est\u00e8ticament o pol\u00edticament, aix\u00ed que s&#8217;analitza com aquestes obres van abra\u00e7ar el futur sovint amb la incomprensi\u00f3 dels seus contemporanis. D&#8217;altra banda, acabo d&#8217;acabar una novel\u00b7la infantil titulada <em>Mundo F\u00e1bula<\/em>. Totes dues obres busquen casa, jaja, per si algun editor llegeix aix\u00f2 i s&#8217;anima.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Font:\u00a0<strong>educational EVIDENCE<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Drets:\u00a0<strong>Creative Commons<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Alberto Torres Blandina \u00e9s professor de literatura i de creaci\u00f3 liter\u00e0ria. 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