{"id":22140,"date":"2024-11-19T09:39:59","date_gmt":"2024-11-19T08:39:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/?p=22140"},"modified":"2024-11-20T09:44:38","modified_gmt":"2024-11-20T08:44:38","slug":"oriol-rosell-el-mes-interessant-del-soroll-es-que-existeix-sense-nosaltres","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/ca\/oriol-rosell-el-mes-interessant-del-soroll-es-que-existeix-sense-nosaltres\/","title":{"rendered":"Oriol Rosell: &#8220;El m\u00e9s interessant del soroll \u00e9s que existeix sense nosaltres&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Entrevista a Oriol Rosell, cr\u00edtic i divulgador musical<\/p>\n<h1>Oriol Rosell: &#8220;El m\u00e9s interessant del soroll \u00e9s que existeix sense nosaltres&#8221;<\/h1>\n<figure id=\"attachment_22116\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-22116\" style=\"width: 949px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-22116\" src=\"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Oriol.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"949\" height=\"687\" srcset=\"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Oriol.jpg 949w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Oriol-300x217.jpg 300w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Oriol-768x556.jpg 768w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Oriol-456x330.jpg 456w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Oriol-249x180.jpg 249w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 949px) 100vw, 949px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-22116\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Oriol Rosell. \/ Foto: cortesia de l&#8217;autor<span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><a style=\"display: inline-block;\" href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-nc-nd\/4.0\/deed.ca\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"license noopener noreferrer\">Llic\u00e8ncia Creative Commons<img decoding=\"async\" style=\"height: 22px!important; margin-left: 3px; vertical-align: text-bottom;\" src=\"https:\/\/mirrors.creativecommons.org\/presskit\/icons\/cc.svg?ref=chooser-v1\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"height: 22px!important; margin-left: 3px; vertical-align: text-bottom;\" src=\"https:\/\/mirrors.creativecommons.org\/presskit\/icons\/by.svg?ref=chooser-v1\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"height: 22px!important; margin-left: 3px; vertical-align: text-bottom;\" src=\"https:\/\/mirrors.creativecommons.org\/presskit\/icons\/nc.svg?ref=chooser-v1\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"height: 22px!important; margin-left: 3px; vertical-align: text-bottom;\" src=\"https:\/\/mirrors.creativecommons.org\/presskit\/icons\/nd.svg?ref=chooser-v1\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-12365\" src=\"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Andreu-cover-696x452-1-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"70\" height=\"70\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/AndreuNavarra\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Andreu Navarra<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Oriol Rosell<\/strong> (Barcelona, \u200b\u200b1972) ens sorpr\u00e8n amb un llibre agosarat i diferent: una hist\u00f2ria del soroll i la seva complexa relaci\u00f3 amb la m\u00fasica, l&#8217;antim\u00fasica i l&#8217;antiantim\u00fasica. Un curtcircuit formidable, <em>De los Kinks a Maerzbow: un continuum del ruido <\/em>(Alpha Decay) ens capbussa en els aspectes m\u00e9s avantguardistes de les subcultures de les darreres d\u00e8cades. Una contribuci\u00f3 decisiva i desinhibida als <em>Cultural Studies<\/em> entre nosaltres.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_22122\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-22122\" style=\"width: 347px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-22122\" src=\"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/llibre-Oriol.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"347\" height=\"538\" srcset=\"https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/llibre-Oriol.jpg 347w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/llibre-Oriol-193x300.jpg 193w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/llibre-Oriol-213x330.jpg 213w, https:\/\/educationalevidence.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/llibre-Oriol-116x180.jpg 116w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 347px) 100vw, 347px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-22122\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Oriol Rosell \/ Alpha Decay<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><strong>Com se&#8217;t va acudir escriure un llibre tan boig? Com va ser el proc\u00e9s? Vas sobreviure a tant nihilisme?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>D&#8217;alguna manera, el llibre estava fet abans de comen\u00e7ar a escriure&#8217;l i no es va acabar en el moment de publicar-se. La majoria de coses que m\u2019interessen \u2013pensament pol\u00edtic, antropologia pop, art- s\u00f3n all\u00ed, i les he conegudes totes a partir de la m\u00fasica. Sempre insisteixo que no \u00e9s un llibre sobre m\u00fasica, sin\u00f3 un llibre que parteix de la m\u00fasica per tirar l\u00ednies cap a altres \u00e0mbits. Per a mi el pop \u2013i recorro a aquest concepte entenent-lo en oposici\u00f3 a all\u00f2 acad\u00e8mica- \u00e9s una superf\u00edcie reflectora en qu\u00e8 es poden observar amb for\u00e7a nitidesa les constants socials, culturals i pol\u00edtiques del seu temps. Jo m&#8217;explico el m\u00f3n a trav\u00e9s del pop, i aix\u00f2 \u00e9s el que he intentat compartir. Per tant, el proc\u00e9s de confecci\u00f3 comen\u00e7a en el moment en qu\u00e8 jo comen\u00e7o a descobrir coses fora de la m\u00fasica per\u00f2 gr\u00e0cies a ella, en aquest sentit, el llibre no \u00e9s un objecte definitiu, sin\u00f3 un moment. congelat, una instant\u00e0nia d&#8217;aquest proc\u00e9s de descobriment i aprenentatge.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00c9s veritat que nom\u00e9s llegeixes assaigs?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>S\u00ed. Fa molts anys que vaig prendre aquesta decisi\u00f3. Entre altres raons, per una q\u00fcesti\u00f3 pr\u00e0ctica: no tinc temps per a tot. Aix\u00ed que vaig optar per\u00a0 reserva la ficci\u00f3 per al cinema, una altra de les meves grans passions. D\u2019altra banda, \u00e9s una manera de no deixar mai d&#8217;estudiar. A m\u00e9s, he tingut la sort de poder convertir la lectura de no ficci\u00f3 en una feina, at\u00e8s que des de fa quatre o cinc temporades presento <em>La Biblioteca Inflamable<\/em>, un espai dedicat a l&#8217;assaig, al programa <em>Territori Clandest\u00ed<\/em> (R\u00e0dio 4-RNE).<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00c9s el soroll \u201cuna met\u00e0fora del poder, de la revolta, de la negaci\u00f3 de la norma\u201d? \u00c9s el soroll \u201cuna via de coneixement\u201d (p\u00e0g. 13)?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00c9s tot aix\u00f2 i moltes coses m\u00e9s. El que \u00e9s interessant del soroll \u00e9s que existeix sense nosaltres. A difer\u00e8ncia de la m\u00fasica, no \u00e9s fruit de la reflexi\u00f3 i l&#8217;acci\u00f3 humanes. Per aix\u00f2 pot ser utilitzat com una mena de s\u00edmbol buit al qual podem atribuir-li el valor que ens sembli.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Per qu\u00e8 creus que<em> Metal Machine Music de Lou Reed <\/em>\u00e9s un disc \u201cmitificat\u201d?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Perqu\u00e8 \u00e9s un disc desencaixat. L&#8217;aura de MMM no t\u00e9 a veure amb la seva qualitat \u2014que al meu entendre, en tant que proposta suposadament d&#8217;avantguarda, \u00e9s escassa\u2014, sin\u00f3 amb el marc d&#8217;exposici\u00f3. L&#8217;important \u00e9s la c\u00e0rrega simb\u00f2lica, que el sign\u00e9s Lou Reed i es comercialitz\u00e9s al mercat del pop-rock. Se&#8217;l mitifica pel seu estatus de \u201cgamberrada\u201d, de transgressi\u00f3 puntual. Per\u00f2 dubto molt que serv\u00eds de porta d&#8217;acc\u00e9s a altres est\u00e8tiques allunyades del pop-rock per als fans del novaiorqu\u00e8s.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Per a <em>Dubuffet<\/em>, en el marc del capitalisme, on l&#8217;art esdev\u00e9 una ind\u00fastria de l&#8217;especulaci\u00f3, l&#8217;art brut seria l&#8217;\u00fanic art \u201caut\u00e8ntic\u201d&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Qu\u00e8 \u00e9s el shoegaze? I l&#8217;art brut?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>El <em>shoegaze<\/em> \u00e9s l&#8217;etiqueta que es va adjudicar als grups de pop m\u00e9s o menys eteri amanit amb molta distorsi\u00f3, en refer\u00e8ncia al fet que els m\u00fasics es passaven els concerts mirant els pedals que utilitzaven (shoegaze es podria traduir com \u201cmirar-se les sabates\u201d) . L&#8217;art brut, per la seva banda, \u00e9s un concepte encunyat per <em>Jean Dubuffet<\/em> per categoritzar l&#8217;art fet a la marginalitat, al marge de les institucions art\u00edstiques, per persones moltes vegades afectades per trastorns mentals. Per a <em>Dubuffet<\/em>, en el marc del capitalisme, on l&#8217;art esdev\u00e9 una ind\u00fastria de l&#8217;especulaci\u00f3, l&#8217;art brut seria l&#8217;\u00fanic art \u201caut\u00e8ntic\u201d, mentre que la seva producci\u00f3 respondria \u00fanicament i exclusivament a la pulsi\u00f3 creativa, prescindint de la possibilitat de la seva difusi\u00f3 o comercialitzaci\u00f3.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Qu\u00e8 en penses de l&#8217;activisme vien\u00e8s? T&#8217;hauries unit a les seves files?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Crec que els accionistes de Viena van intentar resoldre les seves angoixes i f\u00f2bies de manera molt visceral i salvatge. Va ser un moviment reactiu davant d&#8217;unes circumst\u00e0ncies molt concretes. Avui dia els seus m\u00e8todes no tindrien sentit, perqu\u00e8 aquesta est\u00e8tica del que \u00e9s extrem ja ha estat assimilada, almenys en el marc de les pr\u00e0ctiques art\u00edstiques contempor\u00e0nies. A banda, no s\u00e9 jo si tinc edat per fer aquestes coses.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00c9s el soroll una \u201ccatarsi autoer\u00f2tica\u201d (p\u00e0g. 25)?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Al <em>japanoise<\/em>, sens dubte. Un factor important en aquest discurs \u00e9s la dissoluci\u00f3 d&#8217;un mateix en el soroll, el col\u00b7lapse del llenguatge i l&#8217;intel\u00b7lecte. I aix\u00f2 connecta directament amb l&#8217;\u00e8xtasi sexual. Perqu\u00e8 la petita mort de l&#8217;orgasme \u00e9s, sobretot, una suspensi\u00f3 moment\u00e0nia de les idees, un deixar-se atropellar per la sensaci\u00f3 corporal. Al <em>japanoise<\/em>, a m\u00e9s, aquesta experi\u00e8ncia \u00e9s entotsolada perqu\u00e8 \u00e9s el mateix subjecte qui genera el soroll que se l&#8217;emporta per davant. T\u00e9 quelcom de masturbatori.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Per qu\u00e8 \u00e9s tan important Merzbow?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Perqu\u00e8, ens agradi o no, la cr\u00edtica musical global continua estat determinada pel pensament occidental i, de tots els faedors de soroll del Jap\u00f3, Merzbow \u00e9s el que es regeix per unes idees m\u00e9s properes a la cultura d&#8217;arrel europea. Tot i la duresa de la seva proposta, \u00e9s la m\u00e9s f\u00e0cil d&#8217;entendre des de la nostra perspectiva. Personalment, em sembla m\u00e9s interessant el que fan <em>Incapacitants<\/em> o el que feien <em>Hanatarash<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Consideres molt pioners a COUM i Throbbing Gristle. Per qu\u00e8?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Perqu\u00e8, d&#8217;alguna manera, representen el primer despla\u00e7ament s\u00f2lid i ben desenvolupat de m\u00e8todes i conceptes propis de l&#8217;avantguarda al context pop. Em fascina la manera com conjuguen aquest tipus de pr\u00e0ctica amb un fons eminentment rocker, en el sentit que fan servir el soroll com els artistes \u201cacad\u00e8mics\u201d per\u00f2 mantenen la negativitat que se li sol atribuir en el marc del rock.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Una q\u00fcesti\u00f3 cabdal per a mi a l&#8217;hora d&#8217;escriure sobre m\u00fasica \u00e9s deixar de banda els meus gustos&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Punk o Heavy?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No crec que sigui rellevant. Una q\u00fcesti\u00f3 cabdal per a mi a l&#8217;hora d&#8217;escriure sobre m\u00fasica \u00e9s deixar de banda els meus gustos i centrar-me en l&#8217;inter\u00e8s anal\u00edtic que pugui tenir un determinat discurs. Sense \u00e0nims de posar-me cap medalla, \u00e9s una cosa que trobo a faltar a la major part de la literatura pop produ\u00efda a Espanya. Al llibre parlo de moltes m\u00fasiques que a mi, personalment, no m&#8217;agraden. No obstant, em semblen interessant\u00edssimes. Si no fos aix\u00ed, no hauria escrit un assaig, sin\u00f3, metaf\u00f2ricament, un fanzine.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bruckner o Cage?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Un altre cop, m\u00e9s enll\u00e0 dels meus gustos, considero molt m\u00e9s valuosa l&#8217;aportaci\u00f3 de Cage. El q\u00fcestionament continu de la naturalesa de la m\u00fasica i les reflexions sobre l&#8217;escolta i els dispositius culturals que la condicionen em semblen essencials. Si en opini\u00f3 de molts experts en art contemporani \u201c<em>Fountain<\/em>\u201d de Duchamp \u00e9s l&#8217;obra m\u00e9s important del segle XX, per mi, en m\u00fasica, ho \u00e9s \u201c4&#8217;33\u201d\u201d.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Quina m\u00fasica escoltes darrerament?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Doncs no t&#8217;ho creur\u00e0s, per\u00f2 molt <em>reggae<\/em> antic i molt <em>northern soul<\/em>.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Font:\u00a0<strong>educational EVIDENCE<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Drets:\u00a0<strong>Creative Commons<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Oriol Rosell (Barcelona, \u200b\u200b1972) ens sorpr\u00e8n amb un llibre agosarat i diferent: una hist\u00f2ria del soroll i la seva complexa relaci\u00f3 amb la m\u00fasica, l&#8217;antim\u00fasica i l&#8217;antiantim\u00fasica. Un curtcircuit formidable, De los Kinks a Maerzbow: un continuum del ruido (Alpha Decay) ens capbussa en els aspectes m\u00e9s avantguardistes de les subcultures de les darreres d\u00e8cades. 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